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PostSubject: Wonderful BIG   Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:21 pm

Pour moi, sans problème l'ensemble du challenge B.I.G. est fantastique.
Il m'a permis de voyager aux 4 coins de l'Europe et du Monde, d'ouvrir les yeux sur de merveilleux paysages et d'autres cultures que la notre. Smile
Certaines ascensions ne correspondaient pas toujours à ce que j'attendais, le sommet étant inaccessible ou le "pied" impossible à déterminer. D'autres furent franchies par très mauvais temps ou par un soleil de plomb entraînant certains jurons sans toutefois entammer la bonne humeur.
Enfin, il y a toujours une exception à la règle : bom le fameux 743 scratch dont je prône l'éviction depuis le début. 6km de montée, 600m à faire à pied (soit 10% de sa longueur) car la "route" est caillouteuse et abrupte 30 à 40%. Si encore l'asphalte était correcte. Mais non, il s'agit d'un vulgaire béton étalé tantôt sur 1 m de large, tantôt sur 6m mais nullement lissé, une succession de mini montagnes russes sur une déclivité ultra-diabolique. Inutile de serrer vos cales-pieds ou autre chaussures spéciales, vous seriez à terre avant de vous rendre compte que vous êtes en train de chuter. Vous aurez reconnu le Malga Palazzo qui pour moi doit être OUT en vertu du principe que si le B.I.G. n'est pas facile, il doit quand même être accessible à tous.
Voilà, c'était mon fantastique accompagné de mon dommage.
Que ceci n'entamme pas votre bonne humeur et votre envie d'arriver à 1000.
Bonne et longue vie au B.I.G. et à tous ses adeptes.

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PostSubject: reçu de JUles Dejace le 3 mai 2007   Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:47 pm

Bonjour,
Lors d'une rencontre avec Luigi Candeli, celui-ci m'a confirmé avoir du monter à pied une bonne partie de la Malga-Palazzo. Je pense d'ailleurs que dans des pentes à 25% et au delà, le vélo devient avant tout un bagage encombrant qui ralentit la vitesse ascensionnelle du randonneur. Sur de telles pentes on monte plus vite à pied qu'à vélo et elles n'ont donc rien à faire dans un club de cyclogrimpeurs.

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PostSubject: reçu de Daniel Gobert 29 aout 2007 voir autre forum   Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:49 pm

« ieri in compagnia del mio amico massi siamo partiti da parma e siamo andati a rovereto. lasciata la macchina ci siamo scaldati fino a besenello in sella alle nostre mtb. arrivati a besenello azzero il mio cardio e via per l'impresa. dopo un km agevole arriviamo al cartello storico che indica 45% e da qui non siamo piu riusciti a parlarci. posso dire che ho fatto il km piu' lungo e duro della mia vita. tutto il resto della salita e' veramente dura ma in mtb e' abbordabile. arrivati in cima la soddisfazione e' stata veramente tanta . i rapporti che ho usato nel pz duro e' stato il 22x32 poi variavo dal 30 al 28 »



Voilà ce qu’écrit le signore Andreak dans le premier post du forum dello scalatore http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discussione.aspx?c=52990&f=52990&idd=4861961 .
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PostSubject: mail de Luis Miguel Peña 09-05-2005   Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:52 pm

>Hallo everybody,
>
>(version francaise en bas)
>
>I was yesterday in Malga Palazzo and I am quite
>dissapointed about what I found. One important
>information about it: the road starts at the Km.364,6
>of the road Trento-Verona. Follow the panel showing a
>wine-cave (no name Malga Palazzo will be found).
>
>The road is bad tarmac, very irregular, although it
>can be considered as ridable.
>
>The road is in general very dirty. Specially 500
>meters from this road, starting in the Km2 until
>km2,500 are full of sand and small stones over it. As
>the ramps are around 30% in this area and in these
>conditions, the road is IMPOSSIBLE to be ridden in a
>mountain bike (forget any other bicycle). In fact I
>felt down trying to climb it. Unfortunately 2 peolple
>that I met told me that the road is always quite
>dirty. So, until the road is cleaned, it will be
>really unrideable, unless you take your bike and you
>walk with it these 500 meters. The road is in an
>environment with plenty of rocks and probably because
>of that keeps so dirty.
>
>I think we have to keep in the list, but in a few
>years, the road is still unreadable, we should remouve
>it.
>
>Nice regards and hope it could help you !
>Luis Miguel
>
>
>
>Bonjour à tous,
>
>Je suis allé hier au fameux Malga Palazzo mais j'etait
>assez decu. Un information d'abord: le debut se trouve
>dans le Km364,6 de la route entre Verona et Trento. Il
>y a un panneau pour des caves de vin, qu'il faut
>suivre. Le nom Malga Palazzo on le trouvera pas.
>
>La route est trés irreguliere et elle a pas dàsphalt
>(seulement tarmac).Maisquand meme on peut le
>considerer comme transitable.
>
>La trouve est extremement sale. Le pire sont les 400
>metres du Km2 au km2,500 sont pleines de petites
>cailloux et de sable. Comme les rampes sont la-bas aux
>30% la route etait IMPOSSIBLE avec ma mountain bike
>(faut pas essayer avec de velo de course). En effet je
>suis meme tombé en essayant de le franchir.
>Malhereusemant, 2 personnes m'ont dit que la route
>reste assez sale. Alors, jusqu'a ce troncon soit
>prope, la route reste impossible (au moins que vous
>voulez poussez ces 500 metres votre velo). Il y a
>plein de rocher aux environs et donc la route recoit
>toutes ces saltés.
>
>Je pense que nous devrions la garder dans la liste,
>mais si das quelques années, on peut pas encore la
>faire en velo entierement, elle devrait etre
>substituée.
>
>Salutations a tous!
>Luis Miguel
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PostSubject: Malga Pallazzo   Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:05 pm

Een ding is zeker, Malga Pallazzo is een echte uitdaging en al alleen al daarom hoort deze in de lijst van BIG. Ik respecteer het standpunt van Etienne dat hij alles wil fietsen, het gaat per slot om het plezier.
Maar het is wel de nummer 1 van West Europa. Het is een verharde weg. Wel slecht wegdek met veel vuil maar nog altijd veel beter om te fietsen dan over de kasseien van bijvoorbeeld de Koppenberg. In het blad fiets heeft iemand een verhaal geschreven waarin hij beschreef zowel de Nebelhorn als de Malga Pallazzo geheel op de fiets volbracht te hebben. Ook heb ik een ander BIG lid gesproken die de volledige beklimming heeft gefietst. Voor de sterken geldt dus dat het mogelijk is alles te fietsen.
Zelf heb ik zo'n 400 meter gelopen en vaak gerust. Desondanks had ik veel voldoening aan de beklimming van de nr. 1. Ook bij tourtochten zoals Liège-Bastogne-Liège en de Ronde van Vlaanderen zie je op bijvoorbeeld La Redoute en de Koppenberg wandelaars.
Als Malga Pallazzo te moeilijk is, is ook de Nebelhorn te moeilijk. Het zwaarste gedeelte van de Nebelhorn heb ik als moeilijker ervaren dan het zwaarste stuk van Malga Pallazzo.
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:44 am

>The road is in general very dirty. Specially 500
>meters from this road, starting in the Km2 until
>km2,500 are full of sand and small stones over it. As
>the ramps are around 30% in this area and in these
>conditions, the road is IMPOSSIBLE to be ridden in a
>mountain bike (forget any other bicycle).
Do you think about this section?
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_0887.html

We cycled this road in 2006 and it was acceptable clean - the only real difficulty was a gradient (up to 50%) but we came here for it :-) We did everything "on saddle" with no carry or push Very Happy (even the gravel section to restaurant Malga Palazzo). Malga Palazzo and Nebelhorn will always have some gravel on the surface because of its nature Twisted Evil
In my opinion some gravel&stones are typical for forest "asphalts". I hope nobody will come to Malga Palazzo for clean smooth asphalt. Forget about it. It is hard, rough and very strenous strip of concrete. I think I will came here again, it is so nice Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:17 pm

25%
à la montée, on peut le faire à vélo si on est entrainé
à la descente, on DOIT le faire à pied si on tient à sa peau

we can climb it if we are trained
we MUST walk it down if we want to live longer
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:51 am

cyclodocus wrote:
25%
à la montée, on peut le faire à vélo si on est entrainé
à la descente, on DOIT le faire à pied si on tient à sa peau

we can climb it if we are trained
we MUST walk it down if we want to live longer

Why?
I cycled down even 70% gradients on MTB trails and I'm still alive :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:56 pm

simply to avoid breaking brakes and to be able to stop (already with new brakes as it arrived to me two years ago)
and also to enjoy falling down instead of being on the brakes all the time
and i spoke for "normal bike".
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:24 am

"to be able to stop" - it depends on the speed you gain :-)
On the hardest ramp of Nebelhorn 20 km/h seems to be the upper limit Very Happy

Malga Palazzo and Nebelhorn are steep but believe me - if you take appropriate bicycle, tires and fitness :-) they are 100% cyclable up and down, many cyclist proved that. Me too.
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:42 pm

michalk wrote:
"to be able to stop" - it depends on the speed you gain :-)
On the hardest ramp of Nebelhorn 20 km/h seems to be the upper limit Very Happy

Malga Palazzo and Nebelhorn are steep but believe me - if you take appropriate bicycle, tires and fitness :-) they are 100% cyclable up and down, many cyclist proved that. Me too.

How old are you ?
How many times to reach the top ?
Do you think that people like Jacques & Jules (born in 1930) and other older then 50 are able to reach the top healthy ? (They climb several 2000 meters'passes this year).
I beleive it shoud be too dangerous and unreachable for all members.
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:14 am

Doctors in medicine always suggest to avoid slopes with more than 20% being 75 years old.
Does it mean that we have to delete the 250 BIGs with some slopes over these slopes ?
I think that the goal to reach the 1.000 BIgs will only be a goal for some supermen like you, Etienne cheers
For the other ones, 750 BIGs with slopes under 20% are selffishing for a life tongue

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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:24 am

daniel gobert wrote:
Doctors in medicine always suggest to avoid slopes with more than 20% being 75 years old.
Does it mean that we have to delete the 250 BIGs with some slopes over these slopes ?
I think that the goal to reach the 1.000 BIgs will only be a goal for some supermen like you, Etienne cheers
For the other ones, 750 BIGs with slopes under 20% are selffishing for a life tongue

I never see Supermen, just some crazy guys.
This year I was in Besenello and in La Vega but I don't climb Malga Palazzo and Angliru...
You were also at 10km from Besenello. Why don't you go to Malga Palazzo (just to see, with no obligation of climbing it )?
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:08 am

When I was in La Vega, I climbed the Angliru and it was one of my greatest moment on the bike ...
In 2007, in Trento, I spoke with Enzo Santa and Wim Van Els who has climbed the Malga Palazzo. They explained me how to get it.
I'll come back there (perhaps even already in the year 2008) with an MTB (no gravels but lines on the road make the road bikes fall) and baskets on the feet (cycling shoes will slide and be icy).
It's strange but the guys who climbed the Malga vote "yes : keep it!".
One can't delete this kind of personal challenge for those who want to climb it for personal reasons. It's rideable for few cyclists only but it's also the reason why ( partly of course) the challenge B.I.G is born, in company of the touristic and mediatic reasons.

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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:19 am

daniel gobert wrote:
When I was in La Vega, I climbed the Angliru and it was one of my greatest moment on the bike ...
In 2007, in Trento, I spoke with Enzo Santa and Wim Van Els who has climbed the Malga Palazzo. They explained me how to get it.
I'll come back there (perhaps even already in the year 2008) with an MTB (no gravels but lines on the road make the road bikes fall) and baskets on the feet (cycling shoes will slide and be icy).
It's strange but the guys who climbed the Malga vote "yes : keep it!".
One can't delete this kind of personal challenge for those who want to climb it for personal reasons. It's rideable for few cyclists only but it's also the reason why ( partly of course) the challenge B.I.G is born, in company of the touristic and mediatic reasons.

2 hours for 6 km and more than 10% walk is not biking.
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:31 am

2 hours for 6km and 90% biking : is it walking ? Laughing
My intention is different : 2 hours and 100% biking. I want to do it, whatever the gears used. affraid
I'm sorry for you, Etienne, but I have some pleasure in those terrible slopes : I don't know why !

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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:13 am

daniel gobert wrote:
2 hours for 6km and 90% biking : is it walking ? Laughing
My intention is different : 2 hours and 100% biking. I want to do it, whatever the gears used. affraid

That's great. It is possible. I decided to write something more about that like we did it in 2006. We started from Loppio, got the bicycle path to Rovereto and Besenello, there we stacked up with no real info about Malga Palazzo. We turned around the village and finally asked policemen guarding the grass :-) about "Malga Palazzo road". They told us right way, fortunately.

As soon we saw 45% sign, we immediately realised that it was going to be "hard day". The difficulty was hidden in corners, where inclination exceeded magic 50% few times (thanks to ciclomaster 436m). Rolling these section with suitable speed of 4.2 km/h was difficult.
We found the concrete section 100% cyclable up to top barrier where road changes to gravel. Naturally we decided to stop several times, mostly for photographs and water. The most difficult was the gallery section 200 m in length. While taking our bicycles above the barrier we told us - "We expected something more of this climb - the hardest". Don't glorify the day before the sunset - the end of concrete wasn't the end of our climb - Malga Pallazzo was still above our heads!

The barrier and 100 m afterthat were the REAL trial of our physics. We decided to manage ALL the climb to the restaurant Malga Palazzo "in saddle", even with these 100 m of rough stone deposited on 50% inclination ramp. Surprisingly, after several tries with skidding wheel - we did :-) We broke the limits and entered on private grasslands. After few minutes we touch the walls of Malga Pallazo restaurant, actually inrestoration works pending. The view from here was rather limited but the success was phenomenal.

We saw the 45% sign at 12:03, we reached the restaurant at 14:29. We cycled in less than 2 hours of bicycle computer time but we got some pictures and took a short rest few times, so overall time was 2h 26 minutes. We consumed as much as 20 minutes for the short stretch between the barrier ending the concrete road and the Malga Palazzo restaurant.

The gears - I did the most of this climb using my 22front/30rear teeths combination. My friend had 22/28 and on most of the accession he found it as "too soft" and shifted 1-2 gears up. Respect affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:58 pm

A member of the Big will have expectations. He will have the expectation of cycling a lot of well-known and unknown climbs in beautiful scenery. But there is more. He will find challenges and he will reach limits. How fast can he reach a top? Can he succeed on very difficult climbs like Angliru or Zoncolan, going to the top without stopping?
Doing pretty extreme things (not dangerous things) belongs to the challenges. For some is cycling above 4000 or even 5000 meter a (Big) challenge. Others want to “conquer” the steepest slopes.
There are a lot of slopes where most of us can’t ride faster than 6-8 an hour. Is that a limit?
For many members the nr.1 in Western Europe Malga Palazzo is a tremendous challenge.
Some will be too old or are simply not strong enough. Others may think they won’t enjoy riding with a speed of 4-5 km an hour. And what about walking some parts? It is not forbidden by the rules. I saw hundreds of cyclist walking on Koppenberg (Tour the Flanders), on La Redoute (Liège-Bastogne-Liège) and even on Alpe d’Huez (La Marmotte).
I would like to say to Etienne Mayeur: “just try it”. He would probably have to walk less than I did, and I’m convinced that afterwards he will have that great feeling of having conquered the nr. 1. It feels good to share the best climbing experiences so I hope many members will climb Malga Palazzo.
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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:02 pm

I also wasn't there and haven't climbed yet, but I think we don't need this slope or we can keep it, but slopes like this doesn't interest me, also I like climbs very much.
My example is Gr Oscheniksee:
http://www.gyorgyigabor.hu/20070701_Grosssee_Oscheniksee.php
(second half of the pics)
It has 15-18% sections and that was one of my most memorable climb.
I don't think that climbs above 25% steepness are the best if they are short.

I think the best if we don't have to change our bike for an other with the gears 20*34 or 20*30.
My 13 kg touringbike has 28*34 and that's enough for example for Gr Oscheniksee.
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PostSubject: report from Mauro Repetti   Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:40 pm


MALGA PALAZZO REPORT by Mauro Repetti

day of climb Friday 29 august 2008


OPEN YOUR EARS and then (with my photos on the site) also your EYES , BOYS,
BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE AT WHAT YOU WILL EAR and SEE !!!


Before some consideration about this climb…..



1) IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WITH ROAD-RACE BIKE (also with triple front !)
(maybe a great climber, like Simoni or th e poor Pantani, will be able to do with a race bike…….but sure with the TRIPLE !!!!! as you remember, profs use the triple also at Plan de Corones that is LESS steep than Malga Palazzo………Impossibile instead to do the descend with a road bike….cemento is not flat, is bumpy…)

2) NEEDS A MOUTAIN BIKE (better with shock because the CEMENTO ROAD is not flat, but bumpy , with some holes……)

3) BE CAREFUL IN THE COME DOWN…….I used a full-suspended MTB with DISC-BRAKES……RECOMMENDED !!!! YOU CAN’T PERMIT TO LEAVE THE BRAKES ALSO FOR HALF SECOND !!!!

4) DO THE DESCENT PIECE AFTER PIECE (I USE THE STOPS IN DESCENT FOR TAKE PHOTOS BECAUSE I DID THE CLIMB WITHOUT STOPS) and let rest the brakes in the descent….discs or wheels became VERY HOT !!!!!

5) It is NOT a normal climb, it is something inhumane……..I think everyone of us just know this…….BUT the fact is that is really WORSE that one can imagine ….in front of you suddenly appears incredible walls…..
The less steep part of Malga Palazzo is like the steepest of Huy-Mortirolo-Zoncolan!!!

The photos REALLY DON’T SHOW THE REAL SLOPE OF MALGA PALAZZO !!!!!!

IN REALITY IS ANOTHER (WORSE) THING !!!!

so…..I was born in the mountain and I have passed my childhood up and down many slopes…… …when I was a child I was use to ride with my bike every type of slope …..near my hometown every roads is steep !!!
so, with humility, I can say to know how a very slope road is…….. and always in my opinion I think not too much cyclists will be able to do the climb without stops !!


Yesterday I climbed Malga Palazzo without stops…….only few seconds for to fill the water-bottle…….

So…….. IT WAS THE HARD CLIMB OF MY LIFE …and I had to give the maximum I had in my legs ..in my head,,,….in my mind…in my breathe….for to win the battle….

Yes…because is a battle with your head…….because for me this is a climb to do most with the head…..not the legs…..

…….you have to have a GREAT BALANCE (like equilibrist) because in the hardest part you have to do zig-zag…..and you are always in the way to fall down……a lot of energy you use for to stay in balance………..


You have to find your right pedal…..and try not to accelerate also for a little ….use always the same cadence of pedal…..in this way the heart don’t increase…..

Tech date:

I would divide the climb in 4 Sections :
1) The first 3 km are the steepest - inhumane
2) than 1 km not inhumane, but always around 15- 18 -20 % (like the steepest part of Huy or Montagne Croix or Zoncolan-Mortirolo…)
3) Than 2,5 km again very very very steep (a little bit less than the first 3)

4) the last 1,1 km I consider it NOT in the real climb, because is from end of cement road until house Malga Palazzo and it is almost flat and OFF ROAD ….

There are some things to explain about altitude - length …….

For revelation tech date I have used 2 counter – 1 inclinometer – 1 altitude measurer

1) From the The BRIDGE near “La cava” start of Cemento road (altitude about 400 mt)
TO the END of CEMENTO ROAD (with Big stick) (altitude mt 1520 ) are 6,5 Km
with average slope of 17,2 % (max slope ?? more tha 45 %)


2) from the END of CEMENTO ROAD (altitude mt 1520 about)
TO house MALGA PALAZZO (altitude mt 1550 about) are 1,2 Km
with average slope of 14,9 %

so, in my opinion, the REAL CLIMB IS WHERE FINISH THE CEMENT ROAD and where one member of the Big has put the Big Stick .
so , the real climb is long 6,5 KM (from start and end of cemento road )- -
the piece off-road until house of Malga is almost flat …but is wonderful and worth the pedal.
The piece from Besenello to BRIDGE START CEMENTO ROAD is long km 1,1
(but for me the climb is from start of cemento road).

Summary :
Length km 6,5 - Difference altitude until end cemento road mt 1.120 about
Difference altitude until Malga Palazzo mt 1.150 about (and km 7,7)

Average speed km 4,1 !!!
maximun speed of the climb until Cemento road 8,8 km/h !!!!
(in the piece off-road until house Malga I reach 17 km/h)

temperature at the start 30° C
temperature to the top 24 ° C

calories = 1100

speed gear used :
90 % of the climb = front 22 – rear 30
10 % of the climb = front 22 – rear 26

TIME OF MY CLIMB from “ Bridge start cemento road”
to “end cemento road –Big stick”
One hour and 35 minutes.

Than needs 10 minutes from “end Cemento road”
until house Malga Palazzo in a off-road.

Another thing: during climb and descent I have found beautiful peoples…..one family invited me at lunch during climb…clearly I cannot…..and in the descent I stopped to them for a coffee …..

Everyone with the cars salute me……..one ask me where I found this climb…on newspaper ??? he ask me....

Ciao
MAURO



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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:16 pm

Thank to the report of Mauro I can provide miew vuew on this subject.

Malga Palazzo has a max slope of about 45% max slope which compares with 25% of Angliru, 22% of Zoncolan, 20% of Mortirolo.
This is an astonishing difference!! and means that the top of
Malga Palazzo may be a true conquest for only a small minority of BIG members. With such slope the descent is also dangerous.

This is why I am against this climb.
My proposal is to maintain in the list but to give another choice to whom (for different reasons, as older members or those with less powerful legs, lack of availability of a special bike) can not climb Malga Palazzo.

Malga Palazzo violates the principle that any BIG member should have equal opportunity to increase his total and partial score in the challenge.

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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:54 pm

Io ho scalato malga palazzo a inizio estate e ho attaccato l'adesivo del BIG. Io non sono riuscito a fare tutta la salita in sella e la discesa è davvero molto pericolosa.
Concordo con chi dice che debba essere sostituita perchè non è una salita umana e non mi pare rispetti lo spirito dell'associazione

have scaled malga palazzo to beginning summer and have attacked the sticker of the BIG . I am not successful to make all the climb in saddleback and the reduction is indeed much dangerous one. I agree with who says that it must be replaced because it is not a human climb and the spirit of the BIG does not seem respects, to me.

J'ai monté malga palazzo au debut de l'été et ai attaqué l'adhésif du BIG. Je ne suis pas réussi à faire à toute la montée en selle et la descente est vraiment très dangereuse. J'établis avec qui il dit qu'il doive être substitué parce qu'elle n'est pas une montée humaine et elle ne me semble pas qui respects l'ésprit dell'association


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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:35 pm

Many members among you speak about the spirit of the association, the deep sense of our challenge.
I just want to recall something existing since the beginning (1985) of the challenge : to include the highest an the hardest (only the nr 1, top 1) SURFACED road in each country.
For the highest ones, all are included, except for Ireland : Mullaghmore for northern Ireland and Mount Leinster for southern Ireland aren't yet included (a mistake for my own).
For the steepest one, the Malga Palazzo is of course the nr1 in Italy and must be in our list, but there is still one question. Is this a surfaced or an unsurfaced road. It's the real and lonely question, I think ! And it's practical.

We can't make a rule with the subjective thougth of something "unhuman". What is "unhuman" ? Is Mauro or Wim unhuman guys ? It can be realized by some of us : it's just a question of motivation and of analysis of his own capacity.

I understand that for the one who wants to cover all his own region, it's a problem. But to claim it, not loving it, is perhaps an upper challenge for so a good climber as Gabriele for instance.
I'm sure having seen it in mountains that Gabriele can climb it, just like Mauro has done it. And Etienne, too ! It's just the motivation that is missing !

I know that some bad days in my life, I never succeeded in climbing Angliru, Zoncolan, the Balmberg or Kitzbüheler Horn in one jump, but motivated, I won it because I had my full brain in this goal.

Malga palazzo is terribly hard, but human.
But is it surfaced, it's the question !

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PostSubject: Re: Wonderful BIG   Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:18 pm

To the reasons pro and contra:
Almost every climb can be climbed, it depends only on the gears :-))
(If we are in good shape)

Gears: change for 10 (teeth) in the front and 34 back --> you can climb even harder ! :-))

After that I read it means that the it's good for the bike rentals there, maybe not every people have a bike with 20*32 or similar gears on his bikes :-))

And the other thing: with a not so light gears another climb can be so hard than M Palazzo..... !

Gabor

PS: by pro racers Zoncolan is the hardest in Italy. Maybe there are also hard climbs in Spain or other countris which are half-paved , maybe we don't know them.
(Maybe not Angrilu is the hardest in Spain ???)
By this example: in Spain Angrilu (ridden by pros) is the hardest - we think.

If we follow this rule, we should find the true hardest climbs by every country, not only those which is ridden by professionals.
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