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PostSubject: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:01 pm

Hi,

2009-08-09 Highest paved pass roads in the Alps updated: Col des Portes (1835m); Le Collet (1707m); Pas des Escaliers (1700m); La Croix (1700m); Col de Gleize/Chaudun (1696m); Passo Nigra/Nigerpass (1688m); Passo Campo Carlo Magno (1681m). All 190 passes now climbed.
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2008-01-25 Favourite climbs in the Alps updated.

I just updated my list of the asphalt passes (at least one side) in the whole of the Alps above 1700 m.

I am making the information more readable and up-to-date on all the climbs there right now and have gone through them all now Jan 6th 2009!

http://Cycloclimbing.com/

Questions and additions are welcome!
Jerry


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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:18 am

There are my gravel hits of 2007:

Colle Sommeiller (3003 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama3_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama4_www.html

Col du Jandri (3181 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama7_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama8_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama9_www.html

(you cross 2 other passes on the road to the top, gravel 100% on bicycle)

Monte Jafferau (2808 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama5_www.html

Pointe de la Masse, (2804 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama10_www.html

Mont de la Chambre (2850 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama11_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama12_www.html

Glacier Peclet (2950 m)
sorry no picture, very nice gravel road

On the road to Bellecote Glacier you cross the unknown pass at the altitude 3050 m
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama19_www.html
and several passes with real names and altitudes 2200-2700
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama15_www.html
Bellecote - the view is awesome!
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama16_www.html

Col de la Montée du Fond, 3001 m - excellent!
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama13_www.html
a lot of small gravel cols (2300-2950 m) are located in Val Thorens area

Avesome le Grand Col above 2900 m, at other 12 2900-3300 roads - I plan to visit these in 2008

Gravel hit of 2006:
Fisserjoch (2432 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_2016.html

Monte Altissimo (difficult)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1188.html

Ortlerhaus (3020 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1534.html
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1558.html

Passo di Verva (2301 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1597.html
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1630.html

and much more...

Gravel hits of 2004:

Innerviderjoch (2702 m) (different than Viderjoch/Idjoch)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080144p.html

Greitspitz (2872 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080028.html
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080012p.html

Viderjoch (2737 m)

Palinkopf (2864 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080152p.html

Verbellner Winterjöchli (2270 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9070104.html

Warning!
The glory of Monte Chaberton (3131 m) is impossible with bicycle. The road is too rough, stones in attack. NO WAY TO MANAGE CYCLING. It is very sad, because I was very happy to climb this mountain. The reports in internet says that this road seemed to by bike-acceptable up to 2005. Later eroded to very bad trail. We tried to attack but after 45 minutes of bicycles in arms we decided to go back. We reached only 2400 m - the top is 7 hundreds higher! The downhill on these stones was very risky adventure and hard lesson of technique. The road perhaps will be repaired in some 5-10 years because they started some works in summer 2007 - we saw it. It will take a lot of time and effort to establish good surface.

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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:53 am

Hi Michal,

Very nice photos!! -- have already (just now since you posted) looked at all the photos from year 2004, 2006 & 2007.

I have myself bicycled with a race bike up Colle Sommeiller; Viderjoch; Col di Val Alpisella etc. and I am a bit curious what of the other gravel roads you may think are possible to climb with a race bike (23 mm tires)? -- I am esp. wondering about Col du Jandri (that looks like it has become a better gravel road lately (most of it)); Col de la Montée du Fond and Fisserjoch. -- These roads seems like they may be possible with a race bike -- any thoughts on this? ( ... apart from that it would be much easier with an MTB, I understand ... .)

Thanks,
Jerry

PS: Now I have looked at all -- missed several from Tremalzo, Monte Altissima (which I had wondered about whether I could go up this Summer but it does not look so good ...), Malga Palazzo etc. -- hope they fix the Barbara road as I plan to go there also ... .
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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:28 am

Col du Jandri is OK, if you can handle 40% ramps with your road gears Laughing This section occurs at 2550-2700 m altitude ... Later you have 30% several times and 40% final 200 meters nicely snapped here - 8 years ago Exclamation
http://www.centcols.org/libre_service/col_du_jandri.htm
and recently
http://web.ticino.com/rudaz/Jandri.htm
In 2007 summer road was excellent gravel. We managed 40% ramps continuosly cycling with consuming a lot of power and due the altitude or gravel it was little harder than 45% Malga Palazzo and much harder than Viderjoch from Idalpe Wink

Fisserjoch - no problem from FISS (this side is frequently visited by road cyclist). Smile
The other northern accesion to Fisserjoch is insane for road cyclists, especially 50% gradients on loose gravel are almost to tough to WALK in spd Twisted Evil

Col de la Montée du Fond - should be possible from Salins via Val Thorens. Good gravel road with somewhat 30 hairpins. Cool

You can try also Glacier Peclet with very scenic gravel - but please descent on the same road (don't try to descent on black XC trail, it was very hard for our MTB's). For 4 km you will see nothing but stones and rock. Impressive Exclamation

Don't try any of these 3000s immediately after rain Very Happy

2800's - Chambery is easy for road bikes and Pointe de la Masse harder but still possible. Pointe de la Masse is an excellent scenic point. Jafferau in my opinion too difficult due bumpy road.

Monte Altissimo - forget about cycling it with road bike. You will have to walk 2 hairpins...

For me a good climb is that accession which I cycled in 100%. Walking, even short distance is not accepted Wink I did Monte Altissimo cycling the whole climb but it consumed a lot of effort to fight this loose gravel. Try Malga Palazzo first, if you fight it up to the end of concrete strip wiht no push-bike, you can attack the rest of crazy roads with a lot of energy Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:10 pm

michalk wrote:
Col du Jandri is OK, if you can handle 40% ramps with your road gears Laughing This section occurs at 2550-2700 m altitude ... Later you have 30% several times and 40% final 200 meters nicely snapped here - 8 years ago Exclamation
http://www.centcols.org/libre_service/col_du_jandri.htm
and recently
http://web.ticino.com/rudaz/Jandri.htm
In 2007 summer road was excellent gravel. We managed 40% ramps continuosly cycling with consuming a lot of power and due the altitude or gravel it was little harder than 45% Malga Palazzo and much harder than Viderjoch from Idalpe Wink

Sounds like some walking (but I don't mind walking (a little)) ... and I guess a problem might be that I will be around there a bit early in the Summer (mid-July). I saw these nice pages before and I also heard/seen that the road was good in 2007. Someone told me that there has even been thoughts of asphalting this road, to make sure the highest paved road is in France, I presume Idea

michalk wrote:
Fisserjoch - no problem from FISS (this side is frequently visited by road cyclist). Smile
The other northern accesion to Fisserjoch is insane for road cyclists, especially 50% gradients on loose gravel are almost to tough to WALK in spd Twisted Evil

Ok, will see if I can get Fisserjoch into my plan -- I am just around there in my planning right now so .... .

michalk wrote:
Col de la Montée du Fond - should be possible from Salins via Val Thorens. Good gravel road with somewhat 30 hairpins. Cool

Interesting -- will see if it can be fit in as an option in my plan.

michalk wrote:
You can try also Glacier Peclet with very scenic gravel - but please descent on the same road (don't try to descent on black XC trail, it was very hard for our MTB's). For 4 km you will see nothing but stones and rock. Impressive Exclamation

Ok, have to look at those photos again and locate the climb ... .

michalk wrote:
Don't try any of these 3000s immediately after rain Very Happy

I know by experience jocolor ....... . Therefore it is easy to plan in and then skip with a good excuse. geek

michalk wrote:
2800's - Chambery is easy for road bikes and Pointe de la Masse harder but still possible. Pointe de la Masse is an excellent scenic point. Jafferau in my opinion too difficult due bumpy road.

Yes, I have several times looked at Monte Jafferau to try and understand just how difficult it might be, but seems like it is fairly difficult. I don't remember right now where Chambery & Pointe de Masse are located (will look for them).

michalk wrote:
Monte Altissimo - forget about cycling it with road bike. You will have to walk 2 hairpins...

Ok, I was thinking that maybe the road would be surfaced up to the 'La Sella'a small pass on this road marked on some maps and was curious. I have also tried to find out whether Bocca di Tredes Pin (the place where the lift from Malcesine comes up) could have been asphalted -- I found a document on the web that there has been plans on asphalting this road from Bocca di Navene to Tredes Pin, but it looks like it still isn't asphalt?

michalk wrote:
For me a good climb is that accession which I cycled in 100%. Walking, even short distance is not accepted Wink I did Monte Altissimo cycling the whole climb but it consumed a lot of effort to fight this loose gravel. Try Malga Palazzo first, if you fight it up to the end of concrete strip wiht no push-bike, you can attack the rest of crazy roads with a lot of energy Laughing

My attitude used to be that walking isn't allowed (at least not uphill), but I have become a bit more relaxed on this standard! (Also it could be nice walking for a change on a long tour -- sometimes when I have come back home from a long tour it felt like I had forgotten how to walk and got ache after only walking short distances.... . I was thinking of skipping Malga Palazzo, just because I know I would not be able to cycle all the way and instead try the nearby Monte Finonchio (to Serrada), which should be pretty difficult on a road bike also ... . It's nice to know there are always some gravel roads to try out on the race bike when asphalt roads are not hard enough Very Happy .

From my preliminary plan (some climbs from the first two weeks) (I am sure I will not do all, but planning is fun):
Day 1:
Passabocche 1297
Colle San Zeno 1434
Passo del Cavallino della Fobbia 1080
Day 2:
Passo d’Erè 1131
Passo di Santa Barbara 1169
Bocca di Tratto Spino/Tredes Pin 1778
Day 3:
Monte Finonchio 1577
Valico della Fricca 1112
Gfriller Sattel/Sella di Cauria 1414
Day 4:
Passo Castrin/Hofmahdjoch (tunnel) 1706
Gasteiger Sattel/Sella dei Sentieri 2054
Day5:
Maratona
Day 6:
Passo Nigra/Nigerpass 1688
Jëuf Ciaforn/Seiser Alm/Alpe di Siusi 1862
Day 7:
Klammljoch/Passo di Gola 2288
Juel-Joch 1725
Maybe Limojoch/Passo di Limo/Ju de Limo 2174
Day 8:
Passo del Pura 1425
Maybe Forcella Ielma 1902
Day 9:
Sella di Razzo 1760
Passo di Col Caneva 1844
Forcella Morareeto/Morarêt 2120
Vetta delle Panoramica 1967
Day 10:
Windische Höhe 1110
Turracher Höhe 1792
Sölkpass 1788
Day 11:
Katschberghöhe 1641
Grosse Oschenikensee 2394
Weisssee 2378/Hochwurtenspeicher 2417
(was thinking of maybe walking over Kleinzirknitzscharte but)
Day 12:
Franz-Josefs-Höhe 2369
Edelweissspitze 2571
Kitzbühler Horn 1988
Day 13:
Kerschbaumer Sattel 1111
Zillertaler höhenstrasse 2015
Day 14:
Karawendelhaus/Hochalmsattel 1788
Hahntennjoch 1894
Raues Joch/Freiburger Hütte 1918
Day 15:
Pillerhöhe 1559
Kaunertaler Gletscherstrasse 2751
etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:42 pm

Hello,

Have posted pages for my Tour of the Alps at cycloclimbing.com now:
http://cycloclimbing.com/tour2008/
, but I have only made the writing ready for the first three days so far -- will work on the other pages as times permits, but at least you can find the photos and info on the passes for each day.

Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:33 pm

Congratulations, Jerry.

I add it in the news of the website today.

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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:43 pm

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Congratulations, Jerry.

I add it in the news of the website today.

Thanks -- I was thinking to do so myself as I know I should be able to do so, but then got lost with other things when not directly finding the link to the website -- could we perhaps have a link from the forum to the regular website?? -- We could have a little gif or such with a link back in the header of the forum -- I think this would be a good idea! /Jerry

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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:55 pm

Yes, it 's a good idea.

I will try to include http://www.challenge-big.eu somewhere !

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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:32 am

Updates to the High Alps pass list at cycloclimbing.com
http://cycloclimbing.com/alpspass1700paved/

3 new passes added (maybe I am getting close to completeness now ...):
Col des Portes 1835m (new Cent Cols addition - damned scratch )
http://cycloclimbing.com/alpspass1700paved/122portes.html
Alpe di Cadinello (Alpe del Gesero) 1828m (it is a pass)
http://cycloclimbing.com/alpspass1700paved/123cadinello.html
Passo del Gallo (tunnel) (1809m) (apparently a pass, but now no longer allowed to bicycle *up* to -- apart from using the gravel one from the dam)
http://cycloclimbing.com/alpspass1700paved/125gallo.html
+ some name additions/alterations on some passes.

I will add some new photos (small ones anyway) to several of the passes I visited this Summer soon + write a bit more about the ones I had not visited before.

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PostSubject: BIGs at Highest Alps at cycloclimbing.com   Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:44 am

The following BIGs can be found information on at cycloclimbing.com in the section on the highest Alps passes (more could be found elsewhere, but not updated recently or lack info):
(BIG-number - (high Alps pass number(s)) - name):
273 (161 ) Avoriaz
280 (94) Col de la Madeleine (1993m)
283 (104) Cormet de Roselend
285 (54) Col du Petit Saint-Bernard
286 (2) Col de l'Iseran
287 (75, 111) Col de la Croix-de-Fer
288 (71, 55) Col du Mont Cenis
(290 (91, 93) Alpe d'Huez)
291 (6, 22, 76) Col du Galibier
292 (23) Col du Granon
294 (27, 49) Col d'Izoard
301 (137) Mont Ventoux
305 (62) Col de Vars
306 (42) Col d'Allos
307 (31) Col de la Cayolle
308 (5, 7, 10, (17)) Cime de la Bonette
309 (28 ) Col de la Lombarde
310 (68 ) Col des Champs
328 (119, 174) L'Authion
545 (158 ) Col de la Croix
559 (40) Col du Sanetsch
565 (106) Große Scheidegg
567 (47, 39) Sustenpaß
568 (19) Furkapaß
569 (81) Oberalppaß
570 (108 ) Klausenpaß
583 (89) Simplonpaß
584 (14) Nufenenpaß
585 (63, 43, 59) Sankt-Gothardpaß
587 (113) Lukmanierpaß
590 (74) Passo del San Bernardino
591 (133) Glaspaß
594 (24) Flüelapaß
595 (58 ) Ofenpaß
596 (34) Albulapaß
597 (37, 142) Julierpaß
599 (30, 48 ) Berninapaß
602 (164) Furkajoch
606 (117) Hahntennjoch
607 (83, 135) Bielerhöhe
610 (88 ) Kühtai
613 (1) Rettenbachtal
614 (15) Timmelsjoch
623 (78 ) Staller Sattel
625 (11, 20, 25, 115) Hochtor
641 (172) Tauernpaß
646 (149) Turracher Höhe
653 (152) Sölker Paß
677 (103) Colle San Carlo
678 (9) Colle del Nivolet
680 (56) Colle delle Finestre
683 (4) Colle dell' Agnello
684 (36, 110) Colle di Sampeyre
685 (13, 18, 21, 26) Il Fauniera
688 (61) Passo dello Spluga
690 (99) Passo di San Marco
693 (138 ) Passo del Vivione
694 (130, 116, 69, 125, 132, 140) Passo del Mortirolo
695 (35, 52) Passo di Foscagno
696 (8 ) Passo di Gavia
697 (3, 12, 38 ) Passo dello Stelvio
700 (67) Passo di Monte Giovo
701 (50) Passo di Pennes
707 (82) Passo Manghen
709 (165) Passo Furcia
710 (90, 126, 128, 176) Passo delle Erbe
711 (60, 87) Passo di Gardena
712 (41, 51) Passo di Sella
713 (44) Passo Pordoï
714 (77) Passo di Fedaïa
715 (53, 64) Passo di Valparola
716 (45) Passo di Giau
719 (32, 167, (100)) Tre Cime di Lavaredo
720 (175) Monte Zoncolan
737 (16) Passo del Gran San Bernardo
742 (65, 72, 73, (109, 118, 147, 178 )) Giogo di Bala

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PostSubject: Re: Updates to Cycloclimbing.com   Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:08 pm

michalk wrote:
There are my gravel hits of 2007:

Colle Sommeiller (3003 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama3_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama4_www.html

Col du Jandri (3181 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama7_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama8_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama9_www.html
import export products
steroid alternatives
(you cross 2 other passes on the road to the top, gravel 100% on bicycle)

Monte Jafferau (2808 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama5_www.html

Pointe de la Masse, (2804 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama10_www.html

Mont de la Chambre (2850 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama11_www.html
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama12_www.html

Glacier Peclet (2950 m)
sorry no picture, very nice gravel road

On the road to Bellecote Glacier you cross the unknown pass at the altitude 3050 m
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama19_www.html
and several passes with real names and altitudes 2200-2700
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama15_www.html
Bellecote - the view is awesome!
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama16_www.html

Col de la Montée du Fond, 3001 m - excellent!
http://www.genetyk.com/Alpejskiepanoramy/panorama13_www.html
a lot of small gravel cols (2300-2950 m) are located in Val Thorens area

Avesome le Grand Col above 2900 m, at other 12 2900-3300 roads - I plan to visit these in 2008

Gravel hit of 2006:
Fisserjoch (2432 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_2016.html

Monte Altissimo (difficult)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1188.html

Ortlerhaus (3020 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1534.html
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1558.html

Passo di Verva (2301 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1597.html
http://www.genetyk.com/2006alpy/img_1630.html

and much more...

Gravel hits of 2004:

Innerviderjoch (2702 m) (different than Viderjoch/Idjoch)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080144p.html

Greitspitz (2872 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080028.html
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080012p.html

Viderjoch (2737 m)

Palinkopf (2864 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9080152p.html

Verbellner Winterjöchli (2270 m)
http://www.genetyk.com/2004alpy2/p9070104.html

Warning!
The glory of Monte Chaberton (3131 m) is impossible with bicycle. The road is too rough, stones in attack. NO WAY TO MANAGE CYCLING. It is very sad, because I was very happy to climb this mountain. The reports in internet says that this road seemed to by bike-acceptable up to 2005. Later eroded to very bad trail. We tried to attack but after 45 minutes of bicycles in arms we decided to go back. We reached only 2400 m - the top is 7 hundreds higher! The downhill on these stones was very risky adventure and hard lesson of technique. The road perhaps will be repaired in some 5-10 years because they started some works in summer 2007 - we saw it. It will take a lot of time and effort to establish good surface.

best regards,
Michal

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